X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1841" "Wed" "7" "October" "92" "11:11:12" "EDT" "Michael Barr" "barr@TRIPLES.MATH.MCGILL.CA" nil "34" "article.sty" "^Date:" nil nil "10"]) Return-Path: Received: from sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (serv01) by dagobert.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0/1.9.92 ) id AA11719; Wed, 7 Oct 92 16:40:07 +0100 Received: from vm.urz.Uni-Heidelberg.de (vm.hd-net.uni-heidelberg.de) by sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.0/SMI-4.0-sc/19.6.92) id AA08754; Wed, 7 Oct 92 16:39:14 +0100 Message-Id: <9210071539.AA08754@sc.zib-berlin.dbp.de> Received: from DHDURZ1 by vm.urz.Uni-Heidelberg.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8571; Wed, 07 Oct 92 16:39:07 CET Received: from DHDURZ1 by DHDURZ1 (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8561; Wed, 07 Oct 92 16:39:04 CET Received: from DHDURZ1 by DHDURZ1 (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8555; Wed, 07 Oct 92 16:38:59 CET Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:11:12 EDT From: Michael Barr Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of Subject: article.sty Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 847 I can hardly believe that there are people out there who say that latex should not have letter.sty, for whatever reason given (and I heartily agree with Leslie Lamport about having to learn Word???? just to do letters, when I use TeX for everything else---including my very own baseball scorecard). How does having it damage people who don't want it? Is it the couple K of disk space? Then delete it. Does it offend you that I have saved the space in my brain by not having learned another system? I cannot understand what is motivating this discussion. I am having a similar discussion within the category theory community over what the commutative diagram package should look like. One person said he wanted X (it is unimportant, but X is 2-cells). Another wrote to complain that this was a mistake, that in five years he would want another gadget, that no software package had ever gotten better by adding features, etc. I think you have to distinguish the negative effects of featuritis at the core of a language and that of the extensions. The features we are now discussing (the entire latex 3 project) is about macro packages, not the TeX language itself and some of the people discussing it seem to have forgotten that point. If there are people who use X, then of course, it ought to be included. If in five years they have stopped using X and are now using Y or Z, then those will have to be added. Knuth somewhere described (I think it was in his '79 paper in the AMS Bull) the cheer that went up when he told a group of mathematicians that in TeX you could once more use root signs instead of fractional exponents. The question is what is to be servant and what is master. We changed our writing style to accommodate the problems typesetters had with math and now, using TeX, we can change it back. Michael Barr