X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["12624" "Fri" "2" "October" "92" "18:53:38" "CET" "Frank Mittelbach" "MITTELBACH@MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE" nil "309" "a book list (1/2) (was standards ...)" "^Date:" nil nil "10"]) Return-Path: Received: from sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (serv01) by dagobert.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0/1.9.92 ) id AA08090; Fri, 2 Oct 92 19:22:07 +0100 Received: from vm.urz.Uni-Heidelberg.de (vm.hd-net.uni-heidelberg.de) by sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.0/SMI-4.0-sc/19.6.92) id AA27185; Fri, 2 Oct 92 19:21:28 +0100 Message-Id: <9210021821.AA27185@sc.zib-berlin.dbp.de> Received: from DHDURZ1 by vm.urz.Uni-Heidelberg.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0714; Fri, 02 Oct 92 19:22:04 CET Received: from DHDURZ1 by DHDURZ1 (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0699; Fri, 02 Oct 92 19:21:57 CET Received: from DHDURZ1 by DHDURZ1 (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0696; Fri, 02 Oct 92 19:21:46 CET Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 18:53:38 CET From: Frank Mittelbach Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of Subject: a book list (1/2) (was standards ...) Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 829 This was too long and got lost so I resend it in two pieces Frank From: MZDMZA::MITTELBACH "Frank Mittelbach" 29-SEP-1992 18:51:40.73 To: TOLTX CC: MITTELBACH Subj: re standards ('a' book list) > You understood my question...I was just assuming that there was one > central set of books (i.e., 20 or so books) that the majority of the > ``standards'' come from. Your answer says that you use hundreds of > books and several real world examples to get your resulting > ``standards'' (by standards I mean what you base using \section on, etc) I'm still not sure that I understand what you mean by standards: `what you base using \section on, etc'. If you talk about layout then you talk about something were I don't want to enforce any standard---the goal of latex3 is to provide a basis for designers (which may be users) to specify layout not to enforce it. If you talk about structure then again I don't think we want to enforce too much of a standard although of course provided document types (document styles like article, letter...) should contain sensible structures which fulfill the need of the authors in most cases. But everybody providing document styles will be able to define its own tags and/or format them in a special way (something which is possible already in latex209 although seldom used). It is unfortunate that too many people think that \begin{quote} means indenting something by about two centimeters, hopefully this can be corrected one day. What we try to provide with latex3 is a basis which offers a style designer the freedom to express structure and layout in an easy way (given the complexity of the task). To do so we will of course try to support standards of typography. This means, for example, that we should have a close look into spec's as they are traditionally be written by designers, and see if they can be implemented in a reasonable way. Below I have listed a set of books which I consider useful for one or the other reason, some because I think they give good information on typographical issues others because they deal with structures, etc. The list is already large but I don't want to give the impression that this is the list ``where I base my standards on'' it just contains some books which give a good background on the topic and was compiled by throwing out items from my books.bib file to get something which is below 30 items. To produce something more sensible I would need time and think about it. > I probably still make little or no sense...but you answered my question. > Hope that now makes a little more sense @book(APA:PubMan84, key = {APA}, TITLE = {Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association}, PUBLISHER = {American Psychological Association}, address = {Washington, DC}, YEAR = 1984, edition = {third}, index = {yes}, bibliography = {yes}, pagenums = {208}, ISBN = {0-912704-57-8}, annote = {The book contains style guidelines known as the APA style. This ranges from spelling conventions to table formatting. The guidelines assume that papers are produced using a typewriter. The book itself shows a very unpleasant design making reading are hard task.}, keywords = {Document Preparation.Guidelines, Style.Guidelines, Communications in psychology, Psychology.Authorship, American Psychological Association, Publication manual, Writing} ) @book(A-W:BM89, AUTHOR = {Ronald M. Baecker and Aaron Marcus}, TITLE = {Human Factors and Typography for More Readable Programs}, PUBLISHER = A-W, address = a:A-W, YEAR = 1989, isbn = {0-201-10745-7}, bibliography = {yes}, index = {yes}, annote = {}, keywords = {Visual programming, Computer Graphics, Human-computer interaction} ) @book(book:ABl90, AUTHOR = {Alison Black}, TITLE = {Typefaces for desktop publishing; a user guide}, PUBLISHER = {Architecture Design and Technology Press}, address = {London}, YEAR = 1990, review = texline # { 13, pp. 10-12}, annote = {}, keywords = {?} ) @book(A-W:MBr88, AUTHOR = {Martin Bryan}, TITLE = {{SGML:} an author's guide to the standard generalized markup language}, PUBLISHER = A-W, address = a:A-W, YEAR = 1988, edition = {Second}, isbn = {0-201-17535-5}, annote = {Complete description of SGML including example DTDs.}, keywords = {SGML,DTD,Document representation}, ) @book(CUP:JBu81, AUTHOR = {Judith Butcher}, TITLE = {Copy editing: the Cambridge handbook}, PUBLISHER = CUP, address = a:CUP, YEAR = 1981, edition = {Second}, inprint = {yes}, price = {22\pounds}, annote = {The standard English work on copy editing (CHe)}, keywords = {?}, ) @book(UCP:CMoS82, key = {Chicago}, TITLE = {The Chicago Manual of Style}, substitle = {Rules for authors, Printers and Publishers}, PUBLISHER = UCP, address = a:UCP, YEAR = 1982, edition = {13th}, history = {First edition, 1906, 12th edition 1969}, pagenums = {738}, abstract = {For over seventy-five years the University of Chicago Press `Manual of Style' has been the standard reference tool for authors, editors, copywriters, and proofreaders. Updated many times since 1906, it now goes into its thirteenth edition---the first to introduce a change in title. Bowing to what has become nearly universal usage, we now call the `Manual' what everybody else calls it, `The Chicago Manual of Style'---or, for short, `The Chicago Manual'.\par Two pervasive features characterize the present edition: it reflects the impact of the new technology on the entire editing and publishing process, and it spells out, in greater detail and with many more examples, the procedures with which it deals. It is, in short, much more a ``how-to'' book for authors and editors than was its predecessor. In chapter 2, on manuscript preparation and copyediting, for example, new sections have been added on how to mark a manuscript and how to mark type specifications on a script. Chapter 12 (``Tables''), completely rewritten, begins with advice on how to make a table from raw data. Chapters 15 through 17, on documentation, have been reorganized and greatly expanded, offering many more alternative methods of citation and a wealth of examples. In chapter 18 (``Indexes''), clear step-by-step procedures for the mechanics of index making are set forth. The terminology and methodology of technological advances (in word processing, computerized electronic typesetting, and the like) are reflected most prominently in chapter 20, ``Composition, Printing, and Binding'' (new to this edition), and in the Glossary. Other notable features of the present edition are chapter 4 (``Rights and Permissions''), rewritten in light of the new copyright law, and chapter 9 (``Foreign Languages''), which includes a new table of dicritics, a pinyin (Chinese) conversion chart and data on several more languages.\par Throughout, `The Chicago Manual' aims to give clear and straightforward guidelines for preparing and editing copy---with the emphasis on the sensible, the practical, and the economical. As did its predecessors, the thirteenth edition of the `Manual' states the style preferences of the University of Chicago Press and reflects the current practices and requirements of the great majority of American publishers.}, inprint = {yes}, price = {30\pounds}, glossary = {yes}, printermarks = {yes}, bibliography = {yes}, index = {yes}, annote = {The standard American work on typesetting style etc. (CHe)}, keywords = {Printing, Practical.Style manuals, Authorship.Handbooks,Authorship.Manuals}, ) @book(UTP:CDa67, AUTHOR = {Carl Dair}, TITLE = {Design with Type}, PUBLISHER = UTP, address = a:UTP, YEAR = 1967, history = {Paperback reprint 1985}, annote = {A good survey of traditional typography with many useful rules of thumb. (RRu)}, keywords = {?} ) @book(A-W:FN87, AUTHOR = {James Felici and Ted Nace}, title = {Desktop Publishing Skills}, subtitle = {A primer for Typesetting with Computers and Laser Printers}, PUBLISHER = A-W, address = a:A-W, YEAR = 1987, month = aug, pagenums = {180}, history = {Reprint with corrections}, abstract = {Until now, books on desktop publishing have focused on available hardware and software and have neglected the more lasting skills needed to use these tools effectively. This book has been written in response to this need. It provides, in one place, a coherent and accessible introduction to the principles, processes, and techniques of publishing that must be understood before your document production with computers and laser printers can realize its full potential. \par Desktop Publishing Skills introduces publishing basics, such as typesetting, design, and page make-up. It is independent of any specific computer or laser printer, making it a more generic and permanent resource for study or reference. What's more, since the entire book was produced by the authors using the technologies and methods described in the book, you will be able to pick up additional ideas on the effective use of desktop publishing by just looking at the book itself.}, inprint = {yes}, price = {20\pounds}, glossary = {yes}, printermarks = {no}, bibliography = {yes}, index = {yes}, isbn = {0-201-11537-9}, annote = {The book is a good primer for people who wish to get involved with `inhouse' publishing. While it addresses people interested in Desktop Publishing, the focus is on typesetting quality. Typesetting fundamentals are explained and it is discussed why they are necessary. This is done from the point of view of the professional looking at the desktop publishing world.\par A well written book, worth reading for laymans who are interested in document processing.\par \TeX{} is one of the few mentioned typesetting programs but although the quality of its output is acknowledged the authors seem to be unaware of the underlying algorithmic concepts (e.g., paragraph builder) that are superior to the concepts they describe as the `standard'. (FMi)\par From the TeXline review: I have no hesitation in recommending this book to anyone with any interest in getting more out of computerised typesetting. (CHe)}, review = {TeXline number 7, February 1988}, keywords = {Electronic publishing,Computerized typesetting, Printing.Laser use in,Self-publishing} ) @book(OUP:HHa91, AUTHOR = {Horace Hart}, TITLE = {Hart's Rules; For Compositors and Readers at the University Press, Oxford}, PUBLISHER = OUP, address = a:OUP, edition = {39th}, YEAR = 1991, isbn = {0-19-212983-X}, history = {Originally compiled by Horace Hart, MA Printer to the University, 1883--1915. First edition, 1893. Fifteenth edition (the first for general sale), 1904. Thirty-eighth edition 1978. Thirty-ninth edition 1983, reprinted 1989 with corrections.}, pagenums = {182}, abstract = {In printing and publishing houses Hart is a household word. First printed in 1893, specifically for Compositors and readers at the University Press, Oxford, and first published (in its 15th edition) in 1904, this little book of Rules has become indispensable to all professionals, and widely useful to others concerned with the business of putting words into print --- which includes such matters as alternative spellings, punctuation, capitalization, italicization, abbreviations, and many other details.}, inprint = {yes}, price = {8\pounds}, annote = {This book and the Oxford Dictionary for Writers and Editors together give the house style of OUP at its best. (CHe)}, glossary = {no}, printermarks = {yes}, bibliography = {yes}, index = {yes}, keywords = {Type-setting,?}, )