Received: by nummer-3.proteosys id <01C19443.AAF23D5C@nummer-3.proteosys>; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:44:49 +0100 Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.AAF23D5C" x-vm-v5-data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil][nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: short citation forms Date: Mon, 11 May 1992 17:03:57 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Frank Mittelbach" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Rainer M. Schoepf" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 711 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.AAF23D5C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Many thanks to David Rhead for bringing up the examples of citations = and > refencing and for studiing the standards. I really enjoyed the = examples. Second. > However, I disagree with the proposed user interface. I want something = more > automatic and flexible. > .\citationstyle{...}... defines the visual layout of citations, i.e. > the \citationmark -- ^{Number} or [Number] or [Aut99] or (Author = 1999) or... > the shortform, which appears as footnote or endnote... > the longform, which appears in the list of references. > \citationstyle is analogous to the now existing \bibliographystyle. If I understand David correctly he proposes different commands because one may want to use several forms within one document. Also, in my belief some forms can't be switched just by changing a style variable because they involve different writing styles. However, it would be interesting to get a more detailed proposal on a more flexible and automatic interface. How about writing something up including its proposed actions on the user commands for citation? > I don't want to say \firstcite and \latercite, LaTeX should = automatically > know, if a citation is the first or a following and handle it = appropriately. > (I think of revisions of a document.) I had a similar objection too, but: I'm not sure if such writing styles always put the \firstcite first. This is something where I would invite comment from people more experienced with such styles. If we can assume that the ``long form'' of the citation always comes first and all following citations are ``short'' then an automatic detection of the first citation should be no major problem. Comments please. > Citations should not mix with footnotes or endnotes -- they should use > their own counter and style. I have examples of books in which = citations > appear as footnotes and are numbered, but there are also real = footnotes > (containing e.g. translator's remarks), which are marked by = footnotesymbols. Agreed, but again I would invite a more detailed proposal for an appropriate syntax. I don't think that an unstructured ``reflist'' environment is a good idea since it would be seldom result in consistent layout. I prefer at least a starting tag. cheers Frank Mittelbach ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.AAF23D5C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: short citation forms

> Many thanks to David Rhead for bringing up the = examples of citations and
> refencing and for studiing the standards. I = really enjoyed the examples.

Second.

> However, I disagree with the proposed user = interface. I want something more
> automatic and flexible.
> .\citationstyle{...}... defines the visual = layout of citations, i.e.
>     the \citationmark -- = ^{Number} or [Number] or [Aut99] or (Author 1999)
 or...
>     the shortform, which = appears as footnote or endnote...
>     the longform, which = appears in the list of references.
> \citationstyle is analogous to the now existing = \bibliographystyle.

If I understand David correctly he proposes different = commands because
one may want to use several forms within one = document. Also, in my
belief some forms can't be switched just by changing = a style variable
because they involve different writing styles. = However, it would be
interesting to get a more detailed proposal on a more = flexible and
automatic interface. How about writing something up = including its
proposed actions on the user commands for = citation?


> I don't want to say \firstcite and \latercite, = LaTeX should automatically
> know, if a citation is the first or a following = and handle it appropriately.
> (I think of revisions of a document.)

I had a similar objection too, but: I'm not sure if = such writing
styles always put the \firstcite first. This is = something where I
would invite comment from people more experienced = with such styles. If
we can assume that the ``long form'' of the citation = always comes
first and all following citations are ``short'' then = an automatic
detection of the first citation should be no major = problem.

Comments please.

> Citations should not mix with footnotes or = endnotes -- they should use
> their own counter and style. I have examples of = books in which citations
> appear as footnotes and are numbered, but there = are also real footnotes
> (containing e.g. translator's remarks), which = are marked by footnotesymbols.

Agreed, but again I would invite a more detailed = proposal for an
appropriate syntax.


I don't think that an unstructured ``reflist'' = environment is a good
idea since it would be seldom result in consistent = layout. I prefer at
least a starting tag.

cheers

Frank Mittelbach

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