Received: by nummer-3.proteosys id <01C19443.A7295CAC@nummer-3.proteosys>; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:44:43 +0100 Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.A7295CAC" x-vm-v5-data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil][nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Citations, footnotes, endnotes Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1992 12:08:04 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Rainer M. Schoepf" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 675 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.A7295CAC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In parallel with Rolf Lindgren, I've been wondering about citations, endnotes and footnotes. I'll probably post a more thought-out item on = the subject within the next fortnight or so. For the time being: * ISO 690 gives a reasonable summary of what various disciplines do as regards citation schemes. It covers reference by number, = author-date and citations from footnotes. * I agree that author-date functionality should come as standard, but I wouldn't be inclined to give psychologists any more weight than any other discipline in deciding what it should look like. = (Lots of other science/technical/medical publications specify author-date.) For general-purpose summaries of the functionality required, I'd suggest ISO 690 or the Chicago Manual of Style. Note particularly the "If the author occurs naturally in the sentence, ... " bit, whence things like " ... noted by Stieg (1981, p. 556)." need = support. * Footnotes may or may not contain citations. If they do, they are likely to use the "short form" scheme, i.e., a fairly full reference in the first footnote that cites a particular source with a short = form in subsequent footnotes that cite the same source. There is = structure within the footnote. But within this general pattern, there seems = more variation between publishers than there is with (e.g.) author-date: some don't have a bibliography because "It's all in the = first footnote"; some don't have any more in the first footnote than in subsequent ones because "It's all in the bibliography". * Similarly, endnotes may or may not contain citations. To some extent one can regard endnotes as an alternative to footnotes, but: - some works have both (see Chicago Manual of Style, page 414) - writing style for endnotes differs from that for footnotes (see, for example, Chicago Manual of Style, page 412) So I doubt whether one can regard endnote as "the same logical = structure" as footnote. * Does anyone know anything about the conventions adopted by lawyers? = If so, can they point out any analysis of the structure of works about = law. I know that the Harvard Law Review Association publishes "A uniform = system of citation", but lawyers seem to do other things for which I haven't managed to find a "style book". (Whereas other disciplines have bibliographies, which we know about, lawyers seem to have "table of = cases" with cross-references from "table of cases" to "page on which case = was cited"; citations in footnotes seem to be a lawyer's variation of = "short form"; citations in footnotes ae presumably referring back to the = "table of cases". I guess that "table of cases" is a bit like "an index". Is = there a law guru on this list?) I'm not sure about having, in the .tex file, things like: * whether footnotes should span the entire footer * \newnote{chapternote}[chapter], \newnote{note}[section], = \newnote{endnote} Would they result in "authors" messing around with what is really "the designer's job" (i.e, should be done in the "style file")? Would they achieve the endnote effects that may be required (see, for example, = figures 15.1, 15.2 and 15.6 of the Chicago Manual of Style)? [I'd guess that, = as regards endnotes, "at end of chapter" or "in end-matter, near end of = book" would cater for most requirements.] As I said, I hope to post something more constructive within the next couple of weeks. David Rhead d.rhead@uk.ac.nottingham.ccc.vme ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.A7295CAC Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Citations, footnotes, endnotes

In parallel with Rolf Lindgren, I've been wondering = about citations,
endnotes and footnotes.  I'll probably post a = more thought-out item on the
subject within the next fortnight or so.

For the time being:
*  ISO 690 gives a reasonable summary of what = various disciplines do
   as regards citation schemes.  It = covers reference by number, author-date
   and citations from footnotes.
*  I agree that author-date functionality should = come as standard,
   but I wouldn't be inclined to give = psychologists any more weight
   than any other discipline in deciding = what it should look like.  (Lots
   of other science/technical/medical = publications specify author-date.)
   For general-purpose summaries of the = functionality required, I'd
   suggest ISO 690 or the Chicago Manual of = Style.  Note particularly
   the "If the author occurs naturally = in the sentence, ... " bit,
   whence things like " ... noted by = Stieg (1981, p. 556)." need support.
*  Footnotes may or may not contain = citations.  If they do, they are
   likely to use the "short form" = scheme, i.e., a fairly full reference
   in the first footnote that cites a = particular source with a short form
   in subsequent footnotes that cite the = same source.  There is structure
   within the footnote.  But within = this general pattern, there seems more
   variation between publishers than there = is with (e.g.)
   author-date: some don't have a = bibliography because "It's all in the first
   footnote"; some don't have any more = in the first footnote than in
   subsequent ones because "It's all = in the bibliography".
*  Similarly, endnotes may or may not contain = citations.  To some extent
   one can regard endnotes as an = alternative to footnotes, but:
   - some works have both  (see = Chicago Manual of Style, page 414)
   - writing style for endnotes differs = from that for footnotes (see,
     for example, Chicago Manual = of Style, page 412)
   So I doubt whether one can regard = endnote as "the same logical structure"
   as footnote.
*  Does anyone know anything about the = conventions adopted by lawyers?  If
   so, can they point out any analysis of = the structure of works about law.
   I know that the Harvard Law Review = Association publishes "A uniform system
   of citation", but lawyers seem to = do other things for which I haven't
   managed to find a "style = book".  (Whereas other disciplines have
   bibliographies, which we know about, = lawyers seem to have "table of cases"
   with cross-references from "table = of cases" to "page on which case was
   cited"; citations in footnotes seem = to be a lawyer's variation of "short
   form"; citations in footnotes ae = presumably referring back to the "table of
   cases".  I guess that = "table of cases" is a bit like "an index".  Is = there
   a law guru on this list?)

I'm not sure about having, in the .tex file, things = like:
*  whether footnotes should span the entire = footer
* \newnote{chapternote}[chapter], = \newnote{note}[section], \newnote{endnote}
Would they result in "authors" messing = around with what is really "the
designer's job" (i.e, should be done in the = "style file")?  Would they
achieve the endnote effects that may be required = (see, for example, figures
15.1, 15.2 and 15.6 of the Chicago Manual of = Style)?  [I'd guess that, as
regards endnotes, "at end of chapter" or = "in end-matter, near end of book"
would cater for most requirements.]

As I said, I hope to post something more constructive = within the next
couple of weeks.


David Rhead
d.rhead@uk.ac.nottingham.ccc.vme

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