Received: by nummer-3.proteosys id <01C19443.A5E9F7F4@nummer-3.proteosys>; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:44:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: spqr%minster.york.ac.uk@uk.ac.essex.mailhost's message of Wed, 1 Apr 92 09:53:35 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.A5E9F7F4" Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 x-vm-v5-data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil][nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Extending the lcircle fonts Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1992 15:30:36 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Adrian F Clark" Sender: "LaTeX-L Mailing list" To: "Multiple recipients of" Reply-To: "LaTeX-L Mailing list" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 661 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.A5E9F7F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sebastian writes: > I've been using it for years; its called tpic. I wish more drivers > would support it. Well, yes, I agree with the sentiment of this. However, tpic has some fairly severe limitations: for example, you can't draw a dashed arc using any of the tpic drivers I've seen. > graphs aren't artwork. they are another way of representing data, like > tables, so they *do* belong in typesetting. I distinguish between > things, like graphs, that need typeset qualities (they often have lots > of text) and things that are black boxes. The same goes for grey-scale pictures (my own particular axe to grind). They're not just black boxes, either (no pun intended). > I might point out that when > Knuth designed the dvi format, he assumed that the printer had the > ability to do rules -- he didn't put them in a font. I think we should > assume that printers now have the ability to do circles, and > effectively add that to the dvi format by agreeing on something like > the tpic specials. Yes yes yes. Until we extend the DVI specification (or standardize a set of specials) to support graphical information, both for line-drawing and grey-scale rendition, TeX (never mind LaTeX) cannot be the tool of choice for many authors in science and engineering. And some means of specifyine colour is likewise growing in importance. Why shouldn't LaTeX 3 produce a de facto standard set of specials for this sort of thing? I'm sure the major driver writers would breathe a sigh of relief. .Adrian Dr Adrian F. Clark JANET: = alien@uk.ac.essex INTERNET: alien%uk.ac.essex@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk FAX: (+44) = 206-872900 BITNET: alien%uk.ac.essex@ac.uk PHONE: (+44) 206-872432 = (direct) Dept ESE, University of Essex, Wivenhoe Park, Colchester, Essex, C04 = 3SQ, UK. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.A5E9F7F4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Extending the lcircle fonts

Sebastian writes:
> I've been using it for years; its called tpic. I = wish more drivers
> would support it.

Well, yes, I agree with the sentiment of this.  = However, tpic has some
fairly severe limitations: for example, you can't = draw a dashed arc
using any of the tpic drivers I've seen.

> graphs aren't artwork. they are another way of = representing data, like
> tables, so they *do* belong in typesetting. I = distinguish between
> things, like graphs, that need typeset qualities = (they often have lots
> of text) and things that are black boxes.

The same goes for grey-scale pictures (my own = particular axe to grind).
They're not just black boxes, either (no pun = intended).

> I might point out that when
> Knuth designed the dvi format, he assumed that = the printer had the
> ability to do rules -- he didn't put them in a = font. I think we should
> assume that printers now have the ability to do = circles, and
> effectively add that to the dvi format by = agreeing on something like
> the tpic specials.

Yes yes yes.  Until we extend the DVI = specification (or standardize a
set of specials) to support graphical information, = both for
line-drawing and grey-scale rendition, TeX (never = mind LaTeX) cannot
be the tool of choice for many authors in science and = engineering.
And some means of specifyine colour is likewise = growing in importance.
Why shouldn't LaTeX 3 produce a de facto standard set = of specials for
this sort of thing?  I'm sure the major driver = writers would breathe a
sigh of relief.

.Adrian


 Dr Adrian F. = Clark           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           JANET: = alien@uk.ac.essex
 INTERNET: = alien%uk.ac.essex@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk      &= nbsp;   FAX: (+44) 206-872900
 BITNET: = alien%uk.ac.essex@ac.uk        &n= bsp;     PHONE: (+44) 206-872432 (direct)
 Dept ESE, University of Essex, Wivenhoe Park, = Colchester, Essex, C04 3SQ, UK.

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