Received: by nummer-3.proteosys id <01C19443.A5ACD734@nummer-3.proteosys>; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:44:40 +0100 Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.A5ACD734" x-vm-v5-data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil][nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Extending the lcircle fonts Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1992 10:53:35 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: Sender: "LaTeX-L Mailing list" To: "Multiple recipients of" Reply-To: "LaTeX-L Mailing list" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 657 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.A5ACD734 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David_Rhead@UK.AC.NOTT.VME writes: > creep in to the "graphs via TeX" macro package. [Another = approach > might be to find out what basic operations graphics packages = require, > e.g., "move to point", "draw line to point", and see if a TeX > interface could be provided that would allow a real graphics = package > (such as Simpleplot or NAG Graphics) to write instructions in = terms of > those basic operations which TeX could then "plot".] I've been using it for years; its called tpic. I wish more drivers would support it. > * be cautious about attempting to improve LaTeX to do things that = are > traditionally done as artwork. Treat "pasting in via = encapsulated > PostScript (perhaps after tidying up via Adobe Illustrator = etc.)" as > the norm for artwork. If there is the prospect that everything = that graphs aren't artwork. they are another way of representing data, like tables, so they *do* belong in typesetting. I distinguish between things, like graphs, that need typeset qualities (they often have lots of text) and things that are black boxes. The BBs are fine - TeX, like everyone else, can use EPS as the exchange medium. The former *are* a problem, but they are a problem for TeX, not LaTeX. I think latex3 should drop the whole picture environment like a stone into deep water. It was clever of Lamport to make it work, but like the dog walking on its hind legs... The proposal to add zillions more arcs to new fonts is a waste of time. There are so many more useful things to do to keep latex3 up to the mark as a modern typesetting package. I might point out that when Knuth designed the dvi format, he assumed that the printer had the ability to do rules -- he didn't put them in a font. I think we should assume that printers now have the ability to do circles, and effectively add that to the dvi format by agreeing on something like the tpic specials. But I still say that this is not LaTeX sebastian ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.A5ACD734 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Extending the lcircle fonts

David_Rhead@UK.AC.NOTT.VME writes:
 >      creep in to = the "graphs via TeX" macro package.  [Another = approach
 >      might be to = find out what basic operations graphics packages require,
 >      e.g., = "move to point", "draw line to point", and see if a = TeX
 >      interface = could be provided that would allow a real graphics package
 >      (such as = Simpleplot or NAG Graphics) to write instructions in terms of
 >      those basic = operations which TeX could then "plot".]
I've been using it for years; its called tpic. I wish = more drivers
would support it.

 > *    be cautious about = attempting to improve LaTeX to do things that are
 >      = traditionally done as artwork.  Treat "pasting in via = encapsulated
 >      PostScript = (perhaps after tidying up via Adobe Illustrator etc.)" as
 >      the norm for = artwork.  If there is the prospect that everything that
graphs aren't artwork. they are another way of = representing data, like
tables, so they *do* belong in typesetting. I = distinguish between
things, like graphs, that need typeset qualities = (they often have lots
of text) and things that are black boxes. The BBs are = fine - TeX, like
everyone else, can use EPS as the exchange medium. = The former *are* a
problem, but they are a problem for TeX, not = LaTeX.

I think latex3 should drop the whole picture = environment like a stone
into deep water. It was clever of Lamport to make it = work, but like
the dog walking on its hind legs...

The proposal to add zillions more arcs to new fonts is = a waste of
time. There are so many more useful things to do to = keep latex3 up to
the mark as a modern typesetting package. I might = point out that when
Knuth designed the dvi format, he assumed that the = printer had the
ability to do rules -- he didn't put them in a font. = I think we should
assume that printers now have the ability to do = circles, and
effectively add that to the dvi format by agreeing on = something like
the tpic specials.

But I still say that this is not LaTeX

sebastian



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