Received: by nummer-3.proteosys id <01C19443.9DE72064@nummer-3.proteosys>; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:44:27 +0100 Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.9DE72064" x-vm-v5-data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil][nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: {1} Re: {?} layout and spacing Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1992 17:40:30 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Frank Mittelbach" Sender: "LaTeX-L Mailing list" To: "Multiple recipients of" Reply-To: "LaTeX-L Mailing list" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 598 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.9DE72064 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Rolf Lindgren writes: > > the same line spacing throughout a document. OK, if line spacing is = 12pt, > > how do you treat a 16pt subject heading? By setting it with line = spacing > > of 12 pt and adding one and a half line before and half a line = after. No > > glue. Yes this is one of the major problems with the model behind the TeX program, it was designed for typesetting books of type ``Art of Computer Programming'', with math displays making this sort of glue model sensible. However, we want and hope to achieve better support in this respect in ltx3. It is not true that there are no considerations for this type of design problem. See for example my E-TeX article in TUB 11#3. Sebastian answered: > There are two issues for LaTeX 3 > a) what LaTeX 3 will offer internally to help style designers this is most important I would say. > b) what the standard styles should look like this less, as LaTeX is now used all over the world we have to provide so many typographical conventions that the standard styles naturally will violate most of them. But providing a broader variety is certainly desirable. > since what you want (reasonably) can already be done with LaTeX 2, we > can assume it wil also be possible with LaTeX 3. at what stage, > therefore, do we start the discussion on new standard styles? I question the ``reasonable'' but no, I neither want to start a discussion on standard styles or on internal designer interface right now. I did understand the mail as pointing out an important layout concept which is only with a good understanding of the current latex solvable, if at all. And then it still needs a lot of ``unnecessary'' work. The rest of Rolf's mail and Sebastians answers while certainly important to many people are best commented by Sebastian himself: > this PS stuff is nothing to do with LaTeX-L to finish: > Happy if these suggestions are considered (and even happier if they > already have been), they are already, and will, as far as they touch ltx problems. Frank ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.9DE72064 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable {1} Re: {?} layout and spacing

> Rolf Lindgren writes:
>  > the same line spacing throughout a = document. OK, if line spacing is 12pt,
>  > how do you treat a 16pt subject = heading? By setting it with line spacing
>  > of 12 pt and adding one and a half = line before and half a line after. No
>  > glue.

Yes this is one of the major problems with the model = behind the TeX
program, it was designed for typesetting books of = type ``Art of
Computer Programming'', with math displays making = this sort of glue
model sensible. However, we want and hope to achieve = better support in
this respect in ltx3. It is not true that there are = no considerations
for this type of design problem. See for example my = E-TeX article in
TUB 11#3.

Sebastian answered:
> There are two issues for LaTeX 3
>  a)  what LaTeX 3 will offer = internally to help style designers

this is most important I would say.

>  b)  what the standard styles should = look like

this less, as LaTeX is now used all over the world we = have to provide
so many typographical conventions that the standard = styles naturally
will violate most of them. But providing a broader = variety is
certainly desirable.

> since what you want (reasonably) can already be = done with LaTeX 2, we
> can assume it wil also be possible with LaTeX 3. = at what stage,
> therefore, do we start the discussion on new = standard styles?

I question the ``reasonable'' but no, I neither want = to start a
discussion on standard styles or on internal designer = interface right
now. I did understand the mail as pointing out an = important layout
concept which is only with a good understanding of = the current latex
solvable, if at all.  And then it still needs a = lot of ``unnecessary''
work.

The rest of Rolf's mail and Sebastians answers while = certainly
important to many people are best commented by = Sebastian himself:

> this PS stuff is nothing to do with = LaTeX-L

to finish:

> Happy if these suggestions are considered (and = even happier if they
> already have been),

they are already, and will, as far as they touch ltx = problems.

Frank

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