Received: by nummer-3.proteosys id <01C19443.4246CFCC@nummer-3.proteosys>; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:41:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 x-vm-v5-data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil t nil][nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.4246CFCC" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Denys Duchier's new tabular Date: Thu, 9 May 1991 09:26:00 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "malcolm" Sender: "LaTeX-L Mailing list" To: "Rainer M. Schoepf" Reply-To: "LaTeX-L Mailing list" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 336 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.4246CFCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following TUG board email may be of some interest, although it is nothing to do with latexiii per se: >from roswitha graham, TUG vp for the nordic countries: -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Dear boardmembers I have allready responded to RON personally about the question of = support for the LaTeX project. I feel more or less ashamed we have not yet done much to support the project and it made me think more over how we should plan to deal with organisational projects versa TeX-projects. I would = like to put it as an item on the agenda for the Dedham meeting to discuss how TUG could help and support funding. My spontanious thought was that when renewing membership there should be certain alternatives to pay a = larger amount on top, earmarked to special projects approved by TUG. I guess = the planning committee might have some ideas about it? For this year I can see there it to little money to be shared to be = enough for hardly anyone. I rather cut down on expenditures for our board meeting = than to cut down on young people performing a very qualified job with hardly any money at all, being refused to get a minimum of support. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- i particularly liked the bit about young people! whoever is she thinking of? chris! >from alan hoenig: -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- - Subject: Latex3 support I forget the Ron's original message number, but I respond to Ron's note regarding support of Latex3 project. If possible, might it be beefed up a bit? It seems an eminently worthwhile project to me, and the support has to be split among two worthy souls. TUG's original support of BibTeX was at Don Knuth's request, as was the amount ($10,000). Of course, in those halcyon days, TUG was a bit more flush than it is now. It's folly to put BibTeX against Latex3, but since this precedent *has* been set, might it be nice to be as generous as possible ? I believe Latex3 will truly be ``for the good of the TeX Users Group.'' Yours, etc. :-) Alan -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ i don't have ron's note, so i don't know what the argument was here. it is worth noting that the money for bibtex was granted at least three years ago. it sets an unfortunate precedent. i would be most unhappy to see bibtex and latexiii tied together. unless frank wished to take it over. i shall of course press my fellow board members to dig deeply into TUG's reserves (that's what reserves are for) if i go to dedham. but equally, can you wind up any pther board members you happen to know, including any friendly european vice presidents (are ther any?). i can probably = get a list of names and email addresses from ron. it would not be = unreasonable to `keep the board informed' etc, so that when it does come up for = discussion they alreay have a good feeling about it. this is called `lobbying' and is accepted US practise. but don't go off half cocked. assume that some of the board avoid latex like the plague. this is not strictly = true, and is increasingly less so. since bernard and i joined the board we've = been thrusting latex down their throat to the extent that it is accepted that the new newsletter will be in latex. we're not the only ones, but it = took a while for the others to come out of the closet. best malcolm ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.4246CFCC Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Denys Duchier's new tabular

The following TUG board email may be of some = interest,
although it is nothing to do with latexiii per = se:

>from roswitha graham, TUG vp for the nordic = countries:
----------------------------------------------------------------= ----------
Dear boardmembers
I have allready responded to RON personally about the = question of support
for the LaTeX project. I feel more or less ashamed we = have not yet done
much to support the project and it made me think more = over how we should
plan to deal with organisational projects versa = TeX-projects. I would like
to put it as an item on the agenda for the Dedham = meeting to discuss how
TUG could help and support funding. My spontanious = thought was that
when renewing membership there should be certain = alternatives to pay a larger
amount on top, earmarked to special projects approved = by TUG. I guess the
planning committee might have some ideas about = it?
For this year I can see there it to little money to = be shared to be enough for
hardly anyone. I rather cut down on expenditures for = our board meeting than
to cut down on young people performing a very = qualified job with hardly
any money at all, being refused to get a minimum of = support.
----------------------------------------------------------------= -------------

i particularly liked the bit about young people! = whoever is she thinking
of? chris!

>from alan hoenig:
----------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------
-
Subject: Latex3 support

I forget the Ron's original message number, but I = respond to Ron's
note regarding support of Latex3 project.  If = possible, might it be
beefed up a bit?  It seems an eminently = worthwhile project to me, and
the support has to be split among two worthy = souls.  TUG's original
support of BibTeX was at Don Knuth's request, as was = the amount
($10,000).  Of course, in those halcyon days, = TUG was a bit more
flush than it is now.  It's folly to put BibTeX = against Latex3, but
since this precedent *has* been set, might it be nice = to be as
generous as possible ?  I believe Latex3 will = truly be ``for the good
of the TeX Users Group.''

Yours, etc.  :-) Alan
----------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------
i don't have ron's note, so i don't know what the = argument was here.
it is worth noting that the money for bibtex was = granted at least three
years ago. it sets an unfortunate precedent. i would = be most unhappy
to see bibtex and latexiii tied together. unless = frank wished to take
it over.

i shall of course press my fellow board members to dig = deeply into TUG's
reserves (that's what reserves are for) if i go to = dedham. but equally,
can you wind up any pther board members you happen to = know, including
any friendly european vice presidents (are ther = any?). i can probably get
a list of names and email addresses from ron. it = would not be unreasonable
to `keep the board informed' etc, so that when it = does come up for discussion
they alreay have a good feeling about it. this is = called `lobbying' and
is accepted US practise. but don't go off half = cocked. assume that
some of the board avoid latex like the plague. this = is not strictly true,
and is increasingly less so. since bernard and i = joined the board we've been
thrusting latex down their throat to the extent that = it is accepted that
the new newsletter will be in latex. we're not the = only ones, but it took
a while for the others to come out of the = closet.

best

malcolm


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