Received: by nummer-3.proteosys id <01C19443.3F587764@nummer-3.proteosys>; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:41:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 x-vm-v5-data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil t t nil][nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.3F587764" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: FORWARD: RE: STANDARD STYLES Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1991 13:17:48 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "MITTELBACH FRANK" Sender: "LaTeX-L Mailing list" To: "Rainer M. Schoepf" Reply-To: "LaTeX-L Mailing list" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 305 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.3F587764 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is an answer from Leslie to Davids mail about sizes and a few comments of my own. Frank -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- he'd had to make to get a LaTeX-ed book that didn't scream "I've been produced by (La)TeX!", and could be published. LaTeX output screams "I've been produced by LaTeX" because it has been produced with the same standard document style that every other LaTeX user uses. As long as there are standard styles, that's going to be the case. And that's fine with me. journals tend to ignore B5 and A4 When there is a standard journal, there will be a standard journal style. Until then, journals who want to typeset using LaTeX will have to design their own styles. As long as the printers used by 99.99997% of LaTeX users use either 8-1/2" X 11" or A4 paper, the standard LaTeX styles will be designed to be printed on that paper. Similarly, until there is a standard-sized book, the standard LaTeX "book" style will be for 8-1/2" X 11" or A4 paper, so they can be used while writing the book. (This may come as a surprise to some of the younger members of the TeX community raised during the television age, but books actually have to be written--a process that takes orders of magnitude longer than typesetting.) Thus, "book" describes the logical structures that are handled, not the size and shape of the typeset output. Leslie Lamport -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- I agree with David insofar as the standard styles do not conform to general practice at least in europe. But the aim of the standard styles is to provide a layout that is displaying the contents in a logical way, down to six levels of sectional units etc. Or say it in another way, the LaTeX styles will work with any kind of document that use their tags. This is often not true for special styles. We certainly have to try making standard styles that will be usable by many sites without much adjustments, I agree that at the moment nearly every user (to my experience in Germany) fiddles around with the settings because the standard University style is sooooo much different, but we should keep styles that support documents they the current styles do. Adding better support for the two main paper sizes namly Laserprinter A4 or American size is certainly necessary, and should be part of the document style since it usually effects quite a few parameter. The current situation in Europe is not satisfactory with 10 different A4 styles that all have different problems. Frank ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19443.3F587764 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FORWARD: RE: STANDARD STYLES

Here is an answer from Leslie to Davids mail about = sizes
and a few comments of my own.

Frank

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   he'd had to make to get a LaTeX-ed book = that didn't scream "I've been
   produced by (La)TeX!", and could be = published.

LaTeX output screams "I've been produced by = LaTeX" because it has been
produced with the same standard document style that = every other LaTeX
user uses.  As long as there are standard = styles, that's going to be
the case.  And that's fine with me.

   journals tend to ignore B5 and A4

When there is a standard journal, there will be a = standard journal
style.  Until then, journals who want to typeset = using LaTeX will
have to design their own styles.

As long as the printers used by 99.99997% of LaTeX = users use either
8-1/2" X 11" or A4 paper, the standard = LaTeX styles will be designed to
be printed on that paper.

Similarly, until there is a standard-sized book, the = standard LaTeX
"book" style will be for 8-1/2" X = 11" or A4 paper, so they can be used
while writing the book.  (This may come as a = surprise to some of the
younger members of the TeX community raised during = the television age,
but books actually have to be written--a process that = takes orders of
magnitude longer than typesetting.) Thus, = "book" describes the logical
structures that are handled, not the size and shape = of the typeset
output.

Leslie Lamport

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I agree with David insofar as the standard styles do = not conform
to general practice at least in europe.
But the aim of the standard styles is to provide a = layout that
is displaying the contents in a logical way, down to = six levels
of sectional units etc.
Or say it in another way, the LaTeX styles will work = with any kind
of document that use their tags. This is often not = true for
special styles.

We certainly have to try making standard styles that = will be usable
by many sites without much adjustments, I agree that = at the moment
nearly every user (to my experience in Germany) = fiddles around with
the settings because the standard University style is = sooooo much
different, but we should keep styles that support = documents they
the current styles do.

Adding better support for the two main paper sizes = namly Laserprinter
A4 or American size is certainly necessary, and = should be part of the
document style since it usually effects quite a few = parameter.
The current situation in Europe is not satisfactory = with 10 different
A4 styles that all have different problems.

Frank

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