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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 90 13:01:22 CET
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From: UCIR001@FRORS31.bitnet
Subject:      re:Franks'message
To: Rainer Schoepf <BK4@DHDURZ1.uucp>
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Frank,

Your message is quite insulting regarding previous discussions we had
together. Following is your message of 12/22/89 08/56/46 GMT :

>
>You may announce that the project has already started, we reported
>this at the EuroTeX meeting in September. This is an issue that
>regards all user groups, i.e. also those in the UK, in the
>Netherlands, Scandinavia, etc.
>
>Regards
>          Frank Mittelbach

I'd like to stop here and not to enter in your polemic, but i must
correct 1) --at least-- one of the wrong thinks you wrote:
          >he announced the existence of this list installed at ...<
          Yes i announced (according to your previous message)
          that a list exists at DHDURZ1 but not give its name.
          I don't see where is the problem. This fact don't
          affect neither the list nor the discussions on the list.

        2) the misunderstanding of my french words on the GUT list
          (it's not an article) in date of 1/3/90 :
          As you know it's the first time today i write to your list.
          The main reason is that i'm not --as GUTenberg president
          and TUG vice-president-- the best person for such
          discussions. Therefore i asked for a person that could
          better help and replace me. And before you sent your `kind'
          message i sent this one to the owner of the list (Rainer):
<Date: 90/03/05 at 13H33M01 (French time)
<To:  BK4@DHDURZ1
<From: UCIR001@FRORS31.BITNET (Bernard GAULLE of CIRCE CNRS)
<Return-Receipt-To: UCIR001@FRORS31.BITNET
<Subject: LaTeX-L
<
<Rainer,
<
<I'd like to replace my name in the LaTeX-L list by, at least, two
<experimented LaTeX designers but i've not found today these persons.
<What is sure is that a) i've not enough time to participate and b)
<i'm not a LaTeXnician.
<In spite of that i've found a person that can usefuly give the
<frenchSpeaking opinion/desiderata and know sufficent things in LaTeX.
<Therefore, could you 1) add <BROUARD@FRINED51> Nicolas Brouard to
<                        the LaTeX-L list
<                     2) delete my name from the list
<Thanks,
<            Bernard GAULLE

           >Mr. Gaulle did a great job ... also giving a wrong
           >impression about its (the list) purpose.

          No, I wrote nothing about this list that might give a wrong
          impression. No, I didn't talk about its purpose.
          I said nothing about discussions (which are
          confidential) and didn't give my feelings. For those here
          on the list who understand french, you will find enclosed
          a copy a my message to GUT@FRULM11. Anyone can make an answer
          on this list which isn't confidential and where all minutes
          of GUTenberg board meetings are published.

        3) the inconsistency of your own sentences:
           > ..this is A CONFIDENTIAL LIST..<

           >Mr. Gaulle was added to the list because I wanted to keep
           >the french user group informed

          If things are confidential who is informed?

CONCLUSION: today, i'm a disapointed european.
==========
You said:
>You may blame me ...< , YES I DO!
>Mr Gaulle will stop talking...< , ON THIS LIST: YES PLEASE!
>There is already enough damage done so...<,
all things i wrote to you, Frank, about financial aspects of the project
are now obsolated.

In spite of that my mailbox remain opened to you, Frank.

My best regards to all other appreciated and pleasant members of this
list.

It was my first and last message to this list.

                  Bernard GAULLE

PS: Now comes the suspected message

<Date:     1 mars 1990 a 13H
<From:     UCIR001@FRORS31
<Sender:   UCIR001@FRORS31
<Reply-to: GUT@FRULM11
<Subject:  GUTenberg's news/questions (GUT90#08)
<To:       GUT@FRULM11 (liste des abonnes GUT   -LISTSERV on FRULM11-)
<
<               ------------             ------------
< Nouvelles de  G U T enberg  NEWS from  G U T enberg    1/03/90  13H
<               ------------             ------------
<
<
<Vous n'etes pas sans savoir que LaTeX est en pleine revision par un
<groupe de travail adhoc. On peut se referer aux articles parrus dans
<le TUGboat a ce sujet. Pour optimiser ce travail une liste de
<discussion tres reduite (17 membres) a ete mise en place sur le
<LISTSERV de DHDURZ1. Les allemands y sont les instigateurs les plus
<acharnes mais les hollandais, anglais et americiains participent
<activement. Autant vous dire que les francophones ne sont representes
<par personne. Je m'exclue volontairement car je suis totalement
<incompetent sur les internes de LaTeX ou sur la facon de bien modifier
<les styles actuels. C'est un peu un cri d'alarme que je lance ici
<pour qu'un gourou LaTeX se devoue pour participer a ces travaux. Cela
<me semble indispensable pour l'avenir francophone de LaTeX.
<
<Comme je le disais, cette liste de discussion est restreinte et doit
<le rester. Donc au plus un ou deux francophones pourraient y participer
<activement (en me remplacant). Cette liste etant aussi "privee"
<les adhesions se font sur recommandation. Je demande donc aux
<volontaires de se manifester directement a mon adresse ci-dessus.
<Merci a eux.
<
<           Bernard GAULLE